# The Science of Interstellar: Read an Excerpt from Kip Thorne's Companion Book

Theoretical physicist Kip Thorne's scientific contributions to Christopher Nolan's Interstellar are well-documented, but that didn't stop critics from raising some concerns about the science behind the sci-fi movie. Neil deGrasse Tyson, for example, mostly praised the science of Interstellar, but like many scientists, his main quibble was with the idea of humans exploring Gargantua, a planet that was supposedly right next to a black hole. In this excerpt from his book, The Science of Interstellar, Thorne explains the real science behind the most scientifically controversial part of a movie that had true love as a cosmic MacGuffin.

Here is the excerpt from chapter six, found on Space.com and published by W. W. Norton & Company, Inc.:

**Gargantua's Mass**

Toward Gargantua Miller's planet (which I talk about at length in Chapter 17) is about as close to Gargantua as it can possibly be and still survive. We know this because the crew's extreme loss of time can only occur very near Gargantua.

At so close a distance, Gargantua's tidal gravitational forces (Chapter 4) are especially strong. They stretch Miller's planet toward and away from Gargantua and squeeze the planet's sides (Figure 6.1). The strength of this stretch and squeeze is inversely proportional to the square of Gargantua's mass. Why? The greater Gargantua's mass, the greater its circumference, and therefore the more similar Gargantua's gravitational forces are on the various parts of the planet, which results in weaker tidal forces. (See Newton's viewpoint on tidal forces; Figure 4.8.) Working through the details, I conclude that Gargantua's mass must be at least 100 million times bigger than the Sun's mass. If Gargantua were less massive than that, it would tear Miller's planet apart!

In all my science interpretations of what happens in Interstellar, I assume that this actually is Gargantua's mass: 100 million Suns.(3) For example, I assume this mass in Chapter 17, when explaining how Gargantua's tidal forces could produce the giant water waves that inundate the Ranger on Miller's planet.

The circumference of a black hole's event horizon is proportional to the hole's mass. For Gargantua's 100 million solar masses, the horizon circumference works out to be approximately the same as the Earth's orbit around the Sun: about 1 billion kilometers. That's big! After consulting with me, that's the circumference assumed by Paul Franklin's visual-effects team, when producing the images in "Interstellar."

Physicists attribute to a black hole a radius equal to its horizon's circumference divided by 2π (about 6.28). Because of the extreme warping of space inside the black hole, this is not the hole's true radius. Not the true distance from the horizon to the hole's center, as measured in our universe. But it is the event horizon's radius (half its diameter) as measured in the bulk; see Figure 6.3 below. Gargantua's radius, in this sense, is about 150 million kilometers, the same as the radius of the Earth's orbit around the Sun.

**FOOTNOTES:**

3: A more reasonable value might be 200 million times the Sun's mass, but I want to keep the numbers simple and there's a lot of slop in this one, so I chose 100 million.

**Gargantua's Spin** When Christopher Nolan told me how much slowing of time he wanted on Miller's planet, one hour there is seven years back on Earth, I was shocked. I didn't think that possible and I told Chris so. "It's non-negotiable," Chris insisted. So, not for the first time and also not the last, I went home, thought about it, did some calculations with Einstein's relativistic equations, and found a way.

I discovered that, if Miller's planet is about as near Gargantua as it can get without falling in4 and if Gargantua is spinning fast enough, then Chris's one-hour-in-seven-years time slowing is possible. But Gargantua has to spin awfully fast.

There is a maximum spin rate that any black hole can have. If it spins faster than that maximum, its horizon disappears, leaving the singularity inside it wide open for all the universe to see; that is, making it naked-which is probably forbidden by the laws of physics (Chapter 26).

I found that Chris's huge slowing of time requires Gargantua to spin almost as fast as the maximum: less than the maximum by about one part in 100 trillion.5 In most of my science interpretations of "Interstellar," I assume this spin.

The crew of the Endurance could measure the spin rate directly by watching from far, far away as the robot TARS falls into Gargantua (Figure 6.2).6 As seen from afar, TARS never crosses the horizon (because signals he sends after crossing can't get out of the black hole). Instead, TARS' infall appears to slow down, and he appears to hover just above the horizon. And as he hovers, Gargantua's whirling space sweeps him around and around Gargantua, as seen from afar. With Garantua's spin very near the maximum possible, TARS' orbital period is about one hour, as seen from afar.

You can do the math yourself: the orbital distance around Gargantua is a billion kilometers and TARS covers that distance in one hour, about a billion kilometers per hour, which is approximately the speed of light! If Gargantua were spinning faster than the maximum, TARS would whip around faster than the speed of light, which violates Einsteinʼs speed limit. This is a heuristic way to understand why there is a maximum possible spin for any black hole.

In 1975, I discovered a mechanism by which Nature protects black holes from spinning faster than the maximum: When it gets close to the maximum spin, a black hole has difficulty capturing objects that orbit in the same direction as the hole rotates and that therefore, when captured, increase the hole's spin. But the hole easily captures things that orbit opposite to its spin and that, when captured, slow the hole's spin. Therefore, the spin is easily slowed, when it gets close to the maximum.

In my discovery, I focused on a disk of gas, somewhat like Saturn's rings, that orbits in the same direction as the hole's spin: an accretion disk (Chapter 9). Friction in the disk makes the gas gradually spiral into the black hole, spinning it up. Friction also heats the gas, making it radiate photons. The whirl of space around the hole grabs those photons that travel in the same direction as the hole spins and flings them away, so they can't get into the hole. By contrast, the whirl grabs photons that are trying to travel opposite to the spin and sucks them into the hole, where they slow the spin. Ultimately, when the hole's spin reaches 0.998 of the maximum, an equilibrium is reached, with spin-down by the captured photons precisely counteracting spin-up by the accreting gas. This equilibrium appears to be somewhat robust. In most astrophysical environments I expect black holes to spin no faster than about 0.998 of the maximum.

However, I can imagine situations-very rare or never in the real universe, but possible nevertheless-where the spin gets much closer to the maximum, even as close as Chris requires to produce the slowing of time on Miller's planet, a spin one part in 100 trillion less than the maximum spin. Unlikely, but possible.

This is common in movies. To make a great film, a superb filmmaker often pushes things to the extreme. In science fantasy films such as "Harry Potter," that extreme is far beyond the bounds of the scientifically possible. In science fiction, it's generally kept in the realm of the possible. That's the main distinction between science fantasy and science fiction. Interstellar" is science fiction, not fantasy. Gargantua's ultrafast spin is scientifically possible.

**FOOTNOTES:**

4: See Figure 17.2 and the discussion of it in Chapter 17.

5: In other words, its spin is the maximum minus 0.00000000000001 of the maximum.

6: When TARS falls in, the Endurance is not far, far away, but rather is on the critical orbit, quite near the horizon, whirling around the hole nearly as fast as TARS; so Amelia Brand, in the Endurance, does not see TARS swept around at high speed. For more on this, see Chapter 27.

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